Episode 40 - Miambiance Returns

[00:00:10] Speaker A: Welcome to Kendall speaks. I'm Dr. Brian Stewart Kendall, campus president. And today we are talking about our Meambiance magazine that we're so excited to talk about. And with us is our senior professor of English and communications, Professor Rita Fernandez Sterling. Welcome. [00:00:25] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:00:26] Speaker A: And we have Selma Gonzalez, who's the head Designer for volumes 34 through 36. Glad to have you here today. [00:00:32] Speaker C: Hello. I'm glad to be here. [00:00:33] Speaker A: And Alexander Polo, who is the former volume 35. Help me out here. Poetry and prose. Prose editor and current volume 36, literature editor in chief. You got quite the title there, young man. [00:00:47] Speaker D: I'm grateful for you. [00:00:48] Speaker A: Well, we're glad to have you. [00:00:49] Speaker D: Good afternoon. [00:00:50] Speaker A: Yeah, we can't wait to talk to you guys about this. So let's first start with you, Selma. Tell us a little bit about yourself and what brought you to the Kendall campus. And, you know, just a little bit about you for our audience. [00:00:59] Speaker C: All right, so I'm Salma Gonzalez. I started here at my Ambiance and at MDC as a freshman. And the very first summer after I graduated from high school, I was at one of the freshman orientation events that they have. It was the barbecue, one of them. [00:01:15] Speaker B: Okay. [00:01:16] Speaker C: Yeah. And so at one of the tables was, was my ambiance. It was Rita and Megan. And that was when I met them. And they were like, oh, you should totally, like, consider joining, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. [00:01:25] Speaker A: And here you are. [00:01:26] Speaker C: And here I am. [00:01:27] Speaker A: All right, we're glad to have you, Alexander, tell us about your path to. [00:01:32] Speaker D: So I was the class of 2024. I came into Miami Dade the fall term of that year, and I stumbled into this. I, I, I really, I started by taking the first creative writing class with Rita Fernandez Sterling out over here in front of me. And it just, it just started from there, really. I, I started off as a literature editor with prose and poetry, like you mentioned. I really learned a lot during my two classes that I enrolled with Breeda. And I was asked to come back, and here I am. [00:02:03] Speaker A: What high school did you go to? [00:02:04] Speaker D: Robert Morgan. [00:02:05] Speaker A: Robert Morgan. What about you? [00:02:06] Speaker C: I went to Miami Art Studio. [00:02:08] Speaker A: Okay. Miami Arts. Those are two good schools. Well, let's, let's talk to our returnee, Professor Fernandez Sterling. You are a returnee on our program. Tell our audience. Remind us a little bit your story and what brought you to the Kendall campus. [00:02:20] Speaker B: Well, thank you for the invitation. Glad to be here. My story begins in 2000. I started as a GED instructor, tutor, if you will, for reading and writing. And I shortly became an Adjunct professor in college prep and English. And then soon after, when the college prep was no longer a thing, we all transferred to the English department. But I was very fortunate because I had already been in the English department as an adjunct. So it was a great experience knowing everyone and just it was an easy transition. And so in the English department, I met Marta Magellan, who was the advisor for my Ambiance for many, many, many years. And so she took me under her wing for a lot of things. We were part of Arts and Letters together and other committees. And so she took me under her wing and she said, you know, I really want you to consider being part of my ambiance. I would sub for her classes and, you know, I was part of her team before she retired. And so in 2017, Tony and I became the advisors for my ambiance. And here we are rolling into volume 36. [00:03:32] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. We'll talk about some of the awards here shortly in a minute. Selma and Alexander, tell us a little bit about what me ambiance is for our audience. [00:03:41] Speaker D: Okay, so My Ambiance is the award winning literary and arts magazine for the Kendall campus here at Miami Dade College. We've been around since 1989, and during these past nearly 40 years now we've had students submit works for us. And it is a magazine that is done by the students with not just the editing process that we have, but also the jurying, the designing aspect as well. We also, we, we just do our best we can to just really showcase the talent that we have on this campus. We really do. [00:04:13] Speaker A: And as the saying goes, from soups to nuts, it's everything. It's student driven all the way. [00:04:17] Speaker D: That's it. [00:04:17] Speaker A: Anything you want to add, Selma? Did he do a good job? [00:04:20] Speaker C: Yes, he did. I would just add that any student or any person who is taking classes at Kendall campus can submit to the magazine. It's not a guarantee that they will be published, but if it's good, it's a pretty good chance. [00:04:32] Speaker D: Don't be afraid. Don't be afraid. I mean, you don't lose anything by submitting. You gain more, actually, I would say if you submit, you know. [00:04:39] Speaker A: And I think what's truly amazing is how students migrate, if I can use that word. To me, ambiance. They see you at a table, they start talking. And you both have talked about that. So hopefully that's what our audience will get from this. Rita, talk a little bit about what your role is as the literary advisor for May Ambiance and how that helps produce all this great work. [00:04:59] Speaker B: Well, my role is, I teach a class. It's a creative writing class. We call it the May Ambiance production class. And that's where all the magic happens. And so, you know, we're introduced to a new set of students with great ideas and we start building from there. You know, a lot of our students become staff and they of course stay with us even after they don't take classes. For example, Alex and Selma are not in the class any longer, but yet they come every Tuesday and Thursday during class time to be part of the staff and to brainstorm and to, you know, work on the production process. So my role is to supervise and, you know, guide them, mentor them. I also am in charge of organizing events which, as we already know, the events are very, very important to everything that we do. My ambiance submissions and getting students interested in being part of my ambiance. And so Tony and I work together with the students, especially in the spring. That's when, you know, the production process gets going. And so we're right there through the whole process. And, you know, we were very fortunate that we've had great staff come through all these years. I mean, and the beauty of it is that we become a family. And I've mentioned this before where, you know, we have students from volume 27 that we're still in contact with. They still come to the launch. They sometimes come and talk to the present staff and just, just give them some insight on, you know, their experience. And so I think that's what it's all about. It's just the community that we build and then while we're producing an award winning publication. So. [00:06:46] Speaker A: And your launch is not to be missed. It's an awesome event. And you mentioned Professor Cherinos a couple of times. Tell our audience who he is because we don't have him unfortunately here today. But. But I know you two are like Siamese twins in some ways. [00:06:58] Speaker B: Yes. So Tony Chirinos is a photography professor. He has a lot of other accolades that I'll let him speak of at another time. And so together when I came on board to my ambiance, there were two English faculty. And I think that's how it is on other campuses. And so I said, well, it's a literary arts magazine, so where's the art part? Like, we need somebody who has that experience and that eye. And so Tony and I had worked on Arts and Letters and other committees. And so I brought it to his attention. I said, look, this is what's happening. Would you be interested in being my co advisor. And so you would be photography and visual arts and I would be literature. And so together we've really built something amazing. Well, along with the students, of course, where we've taken my ambiance to another level. So yes, it is the two of us and we fight and argue. I call him my work husband and. But that's what makes it all the better. And you know, that's how it is in the real world. And that's something that we try to instill in our staff. That what you're learning here, all the skills and all, you know, the good, the bad and the ugly, that's what you're going to encounter out there. And if you notice, Alex and Selma, they call me Rita. They're the only ones that are allowed to call me Rita in the Miam beyond staff because I feel that it's a business and they're learning all the ins and outs of a business. And so in the business world they would call me Rita. But in the classroom, my other students call me Professor Fernanda Sterling. [00:08:32] Speaker A: Well, thank you for sharing that. You mentioned your mentor that kind of passed it down. And I've watched you now for two years. And this is a very inspiring job that you do. Talk about what inspires you, what keeps you going. I mean, you're an amazing professor. We're not even talking about your classroom, which I see all the time. But what inspires you to keep going with neon Beyonce? [00:08:52] Speaker B: I think it's the students, obviously, like I mentioned before, every fall term, unless we have students who are transitioning into their second year, like Selma and Alex, it's a whole new set of students with, you know, bright ideas and you know, they're all bright eyed and bushy tailed and it's like, oh, you know, what can you bring to the table? And so I think that inspires me to continue and to inspire them the way they inspire me and to help them believe in this piece of art. Because that's what it is. The magazine is a work of art within itself. And so once they understand what we're doing, then that's when the magic happens. And then you see it, you know, you see the commitment. And I know Alex, you mentioned commitment a lot. [00:09:43] Speaker D: It's a drive. [00:09:44] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And it's great because we start with nothing. Cause we do start from scratch. Every magazine. And then it becomes this whole world living. [00:09:56] Speaker D: Some of us are very hungry to really prove what we could do with this, you know. [00:10:00] Speaker B: Absolutely. And so that's what Keeps me going. That's what inspires me every semester. At the end, it gets a little dicey. Right, Selma? Especially when we're trying. [00:10:11] Speaker A: She's smiling. For those that can't see. [00:10:13] Speaker B: Yes, yes. You know, when we have to decide what works we want to submit for a contest and things like that, that's a lot of work too. But overall, it's so worth it for me, for Tony and for our students. [00:10:28] Speaker A: And the creativity just blows me away every time I open it. I can't wait to read it. Alex and Selma, tell me a little bit about the process of how you collabor, how the ideas, the themes come about. What's the process like? [00:10:39] Speaker C: Well, from the beginning, it would be in the fall when we're looking through all the works that are submitted. And that's when there's the most people involved in the collaborative process. Because that's when the whole class is voting on everything and either giving it thumbs up or the thumbs down or more literally a green card or red card. [00:10:56] Speaker D: Yeah, we have a jury process where it's like from red, red, yellow, green, orange. Yeah. And obviously they're all student works. Like we mentioned, we try to create room as well for discussion as well. Just to ask what the thoughts are really. And just opinions too. And just really it's a process of trial and error. But we also, after really the druing process, that's when we really start to edit the literature works, you know what I mean? And we obviously try not to like distort the meaning of the work, but we do look for misspelling, grammar, punctuation, all those kind of things. [00:11:31] Speaker A: What a good English teacher would look at. [00:11:33] Speaker B: Right. But talk about how we come up with the theme, because people always ask us about. [00:11:38] Speaker D: Oh, yeah, yeah. [00:11:39] Speaker C: So, well, the theme, it sort of depends or I know there's a couple volumes ago where it had to do. The original theme was fine dining versus casual dining. And that was the one where that influencer the aesthetic of it. But also more the thematic shift from, you know, more casual, sort of carefree, sort of visual style to the more structured, uniform style. But then by the end, it had changed a lot. Usually the theme, it's supposed to be something more malleable so that it's easy to work with, like as priorities change and as works change and all that sort of thing. And by the end, it was a pretty different piece. [00:12:22] Speaker A: Different piece. Well, we talked about the launch for. For those that have never been to the launch. One of my favorite things is hearing the people read Their works. And so I know you don't know the next launch date, but. [00:12:34] Speaker B: Oh, I do. [00:12:34] Speaker A: Do you really? What? [00:12:35] Speaker B: When is it? September 15th. [00:12:37] Speaker A: Okay. Please. You should come to that. And we had standing room only last time, as I recall. [00:12:41] Speaker B: Yes, it usually is. [00:12:42] Speaker A: It's really cool to see the artists to present their work. So, Alex, what's your favorite part of the process? With beyond my favorite part of the [00:12:52] Speaker D: process, I mean, I kind of. I would say that I sort of did mention too, like, just the discussions we have too, like, what can work and what can't, and what we think can't work. Really, it's just as tedious as it may be. It's a very crucial part of the process, and it's very fulfilling once we get all that done. Really, you know, and like I said, you know, with editing and everything, like, it really just comes down to our discussions too, and just what we think can and can't work. [00:13:15] Speaker A: What about your favorite part? [00:13:16] Speaker C: Well, obviously, as a designer, my favorite part is the design process. [00:13:20] Speaker A: Okay, that's good. [00:13:21] Speaker C: I enjoy that process a lot, obviously. And at least the hardest part is really just getting started, you know, starting from scratch. But then once you at least have the skeleton of the magazine, then it becomes a lot more fun to try and, like, puzzle everything into the way that it'll look best. [00:13:38] Speaker A: See it to the finish line. [00:13:39] Speaker C: That's cool. [00:13:40] Speaker A: Professor Fernandez Sterling. Talk about the learning aspect that goes on with what Alex was talking about. Because I gotta imagine it kind of warms your heart to see that occurrence when that kind of discussion happens. [00:13:52] Speaker B: Well, you know, the growth that I've seen, especially with Salma and Alex, you know, I always tell Salma's story, which she kind of mentioned earlier, how she came up to the table. It's like, oh, what's this? Right? And we're like, oh, you should join us. And two years later, she's designed two of. You know. Well, they're all great magazines, but, you know, very highly recognized nationally. And so that growth is a beautiful thing to watch. And then, Alex, I remember in the beginning, you know, we have these contests that we host which generates submissions. And, you know, one of them was Speak youk Mind was. Is a poetry contest. And I remember Alex was like, oh, but I'm not sure. I have some pieces that I don't know. And I'm like, just do it. And of course, it's been amazing since he's won. He has a lot of pieces published. He's working on a book of his poetry. So here we are where from point A to Z. [00:14:58] Speaker D: And here we are now. [00:14:59] Speaker B: And here we are now. And you're in this role. And Salma is still with us building a legacy, because that's really what it is. So it's nice to see that. I mean, I think, again, that's another thing that keeps me going and makes this so much fun and exciting each term. [00:15:18] Speaker A: That's a great answer. One of the things I've been impressed with is the diversity and the different types of things that are in it. How do you guys encourage that? Is there anything that. Is it organic or how do you get the diversity of topics that MeowBuds covers every year? [00:15:33] Speaker C: Well, for diversity of topics, I guess it's just sort of the human condition that such a broad variety of students in the student body just have a wide. A broad diversity of opinions and feelings and emotions. But they always sort of have that thread connecting them all. And for diversity of mediums or media. Sorry. It helps that Rita talks to her students. She's very engaged in what they're doing. So she knows, for example, if one of them is a sculptor, she knows to convince them sort of turn the screws and convince them to submit to the magazine. [00:16:07] Speaker D: You know, another thing that I think is really great when it comes to just the mediums is just how we can really experiment with them and how we can really create meanings with them with our pieces, because we tend to pair them up with literature as well. You know, sometimes we have big spreads too, right? Like, we had some great works too. But, like, really, I think it just. Since our art is very subjective, so one person might like it, another one might not. But really, I think, like we say, like the one. Like, I think really when it speaks volumes just with the image itself, like, that really is what counts, you know, that's great. [00:16:39] Speaker A: Professor Fernandez Sterling, I know you talked about students and talk a little about the growth you've seen. You've talked about in these two guys, some growth. But talk about overall, you know, because I think what you do really encourages students who you mentioned Alex here, who was a little hesitant with his poetry, and now look at him. Talk a little bit about some of the growth you've seen in some of our other students. [00:16:59] Speaker B: Well, throughout the years. I mean, it's amazing, you know, what I've seen. But a couple of examples would be Diego, which I've mentioned before Franco and when he came to us. First of all, he was my ENC 1102 student. And I talk about my ambiance in Every class. And I encourage students to get involved and are there any artists here? And that's how I got the sculptor. I get filmmakers and things like that, musicians. So Diego was in my class and he was like, oh, you know what, I'm gonna, I'm gonna check it out. You've been talking about it, so let me find out what it's all about. And he joined the team. This is during COVID which was interesting for volume 31. And he soon after changed his major. And so he went into graphic design because he became our head designer. In fact, he still comes out and helps us, you know, when we have workshops or events. There's Diego encouraging and helping the current staff. But he went into graphic design, he went to fiu, he graduated, and now he's in the field working in graphic design. That is all I wanna say because of his experience with my ambiance. Right. And we've had other students too, that follow a different path once they've explored and been a part of this amazing magazine. So that makes me really proud. And you know, the fact that they're still around to, well, around, meaning they're still in the area, you know, in our community and they can come out and still be a part of, you know, my ambiance in many ways. We have a workshop on April 7 to encourage students to submit and they can bring their works and show the staff and, you know, that's a great, you know, one on one opportunity to talk about the piece and you know, should you photograph it differently, do you need to do some edits and things like that before you submit? And so, you know, Megan, who was in the previous podcast, Diego, they already know that they will be there. And you know, I call them alumni, you know, mentors, and you know, we even give them a little shout out in the magazine because they are always going to be a part of my ambiance. And I think that's gonna happen with Alex and with Salma. You know, it's funny cause Salma's like, oh, this is my last term in the fall. And I'm like, no, Salma, no. I was so sad. [00:19:26] Speaker D: Me too. [00:19:27] Speaker C: Right, right. [00:19:28] Speaker B: And then she's like, oh, it so happens that I'm gonna be here another term. I'm like, yes, yes. [00:19:33] Speaker D: Surprise. [00:19:33] Speaker B: Yes. So that was a wonderful surprise. And again, I wish we could keep them forever, but we know that that's not the case. But I know that all that they've learned, not only about design or literature, is something that they're going to Take with them in their future endeavors. And I think that makes me very happy. It makes my heart sing, and it should. [00:19:52] Speaker A: And I think you mentioned the eyes, the way you open their eyes to things. I'm just so glad you mentioned that. All right, Alex and Selma, tell me about your favorite moment, your piece, feature, and why, from the ambience. Selma, ladies first. [00:20:07] Speaker C: All right, thank you. Well, from the last volume, one of my favorite, favorite pieces to work with or on was the featured artist interview. That was when we interviewed the dancer. I forgot her name right now, but she was a dancer who had to undergo surgery for her scoliosis, and she had to do physical therapy and all that. And so it was fun because we got to do a photo shoot with her and take all these, like, cool photos of her dancing in a hospital gown. And aside from that, it was cool to sort of format the interview questions in a way where it was supposed to sort of look like a spine, like the vertebrae of the spine. And I thought it was a sort of a fun visual pun that we got to do there. [00:20:51] Speaker A: That's awesome. That's great. What about you, Alex? What's your. [00:20:54] Speaker D: I would say one of my favorite pieces from 35, because I worked on that was Point of Pain. It was one of the prose pieces. And funny enough, because she just mentioned the feature artist, it was also about. This piece was also about a ballerina, too, and their setbacks as well, you know, but really just hearing those kind of, like, personal stories, too, and how they just rise above it, you know, it's great. But another art piece I like, too, is the Koi. You know, the. The one with the koi fish and everything? Yeah, no, we looked at. We even debated, too, like, the COVID and everything. And that was just a whole different discussion in itself. But really, I think those were the pieces that really, I think, stood out to me the most. [00:21:33] Speaker A: That's great. Well, I have to ask. We've talked about the magazine. Let's talk about what awards it's won, because we need to make sure we spend some time on that. So who wants to share what happened for the. [00:21:47] Speaker C: Which ones we won or the submission process? [00:21:49] Speaker B: Well, no, just. [00:21:50] Speaker A: Yeah, what we won, what we won [00:21:51] Speaker B: so far for volume 35. [00:21:52] Speaker C: All right, so off the top of my head, I know we won Best in Show. We won the. The Apple Silver Apple Trophy. We also won for the fcspa. We won. Was that Dustin show also? [00:22:07] Speaker B: We won them. [00:22:08] Speaker C: I know we won a lot. Yeah. Cspa, cpa, scspa. Those are the main Ones I remember. Sorry. [00:22:15] Speaker A: It's okay. [00:22:16] Speaker D: You were also a Pacemaker finalist as well. [00:22:18] Speaker A: That's right. [00:22:20] Speaker B: Pacemaker finalists. A Pinnacle finalist. You know, we are members of five organizations, media organizations, national organization, and one state. And so, you know, we're kind of like in the middle of the award season. And so we still haven't gotten all of the awards yet for volume 35, but so far we've done very well where we've, like I mentioned, we've been finalists for the Pinnacle, for the Pacemaker. Now we're a gold crown finalist. That hasn't been announced yet. I'll be in March. And our students win awards, too. Our published students, they also get awards. So there's a few poems, some art pieces that have already won awards. So the students have been coming by to pick up their certificates. And so it's a lot of fun to see that because of course, it solidifies all that, not only the staff does, but that our students work is worthy of recognition. And so it's a lot of fun to go. The, you know, the anticipation of. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. And, you know, being a finalist is already a nod, huge nod, because, you know, we're talking about hundreds of submissions and, you know, whenever we are told that we're a finalist, we celebrate that. And of course, then the next step would be to win the piece, but just I tell them all the time I said, being a finalist is a win already. So, yeah, we've won. We've won. We've been doing well so far. [00:23:56] Speaker A: Well, I know, I know. When the awards are announced, you'll let me know and we'll talk about how we can celebrate those. Because I hope you know how proud I am of all of you and especially what this magazine does as we wrap up. I wanted to give both of you an opportunity. And our professor, I'll let her end it, but what advice would you give someone out there that has a creative juice but doesn't really have the ways to entertain it right now? [00:24:19] Speaker D: Don't be afraid to shake up the world, you know, just. Don't be afraid to shake it up, you know, just. Just be bold. [00:24:26] Speaker A: Go for it. [00:24:27] Speaker D: Go for it. Yeah. Don't be afraid of your style. Don't be afraid of your identity, you know, just try to shine, you know? [00:24:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:33] Speaker D: And persevere. [00:24:34] Speaker A: That's great, Alex. That's great. Sam, what would you say to a student? [00:24:38] Speaker C: I would say to something similar to not be afraid to. To not sort of get ahead of yourself and think that you won't be able to do something and then just sort of undercut yourself by not doing it. And to not be afraid of, you know, having to work hard and having to learn discipline, because it's not necessarily something you're born with, but you can develop it over time. And it is obviously one of the most valuable qualities you can have in art and in life. [00:25:05] Speaker A: Very nice. Professor Fernandez Sterling, what would you say to your future students out there listening? [00:25:11] Speaker B: Well, I would say, you know, I look forward to meeting you. And again, just like Salman Alex said, don't be afraid. A lot of times, you know, artists are notorious for thinking that their work is not good. It's not enough. It's not ready. I hear that a lot. It's not ready. And what do I always say? [00:25:31] Speaker D: Submit it. [00:25:32] Speaker B: Submit it. We will take a look at it and we will decide. [00:25:37] Speaker D: It's really like the artist's curse, you know? [00:25:39] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it's. It's across the board. You know, I hear this all the time, and it's like, well, just send it in, you know, and let's see. Maybe we can work with it, you know, but don't be afraid to take that first step, because you don't know what's going to happen after you take that first step, and you're missing out on that opportunity. So I say just do it. [00:26:00] Speaker A: And remember that on April 7th, you guys have a workshop coming. [00:26:03] Speaker B: We have a workshop to make sure [00:26:04] Speaker A: that's a good opportunity to do that. Well, we like to end our Kendyl Speaks podcast by turning the microphone around and letting you ask me any question you like. So who wants to go first? [00:26:14] Speaker C: All right, well, what do you like about working here at Kendall campus? [00:26:19] Speaker A: You know, that is a really hard question because there's so many great things. Today we hosted a board meeting. I think what I love most about the campus is every day is different. We had a big cookout for our alumni baseball team this weekend. I'm grilling out on Wednesday for our basketball team. So you guys come to that every day. There's something cool going on at Kendall, and you guys are one of the really cool things. And so I can't. Every year I can't wait to see when the magazine comes and it slides on my desk. And so. But, you know, if I had to pick one thing, I think it's the students. You know, from our KLA students to our honor college students, to just every student, we are blessed at Kendall to have a great student body and great faculty. I better I better mention great professors like Ms. Sterling here. [00:27:06] Speaker D: I have one question. What day will you be serving coffee? [00:27:11] Speaker A: We are doing that for Valentine's Day on February. February. The Thursday of Valentine's Week. Little capacita. [00:27:20] Speaker D: Yeah, I need that. [00:27:22] Speaker A: I'll try not to burn my hands. They give me these little gloves and we'll have some sweets. We have a couple other special things planned for that one. So. [00:27:29] Speaker D: Are you doing good, by the way? [00:27:30] Speaker A: I'm doing great. You know, it's. We're in the second week and it really feels like the semester smoothing out. You know, I love seeing the campus full of students. Today's a great day walking campus, but yeah, it's awesome. And you know, any ideas you guys have of ways to support students, please know that my door is always open. Because that's what we're here for. We're here to help shape minds, right? [00:27:54] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:27:54] Speaker A: All right, well, thank you guys. Thank you, Professor Fernandez Sterling, for being here today. Selma, thanks for staying around another semester. [00:28:02] Speaker B: Yes. [00:28:02] Speaker A: Alexander, thank you for being here. Thanks for the opportunity and we will stay in touch because I know there's more awards and more things to do. So thank you for being here. That concludes our Kindle Speaks for today. I want to thank our guests today. I also want to thank Christina Saenz, our head writer, Alex Bellot, our producer, and Paul Klein, our executive producer. Thank you for joining us today and goodbye for now. [00:28:28] Speaker B: Sam.